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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:55:00 GMT -5
LOL. You casually call them 2 5ths - they are 5.02 and 5.04...a whopping combined 6 picks outside of the 4th round. Whatever, man, I'm done. You ripped him off and you know it. I wasn't going to say anything else either, but here goes- I didn't rip him off, but I sure know I'm gonna be ripping up the AFC S this year. Colts are gonna mop the floor with the Titans. And for one more chance to try to prove my point- no one would have balked if I had traded any 200-250 pt QB & Ray Lewis for Eli, but that's how it's going to end up. I don't see how you can argue against that. Wow, talk about saber marks on the buttocks. The trade boils down to this: The Colts move up from pick 2.32 to pick 1.30, the Colts move up from pick 3.28 to pick 3.15, and the Colts move up from pick 8.30 to pick 6.29. As compensation, the Jets get pick 3.29. That is a very lopsided trade. Beyond that, I want to know why a trade like that automatically gets pushed through by the commissioners. We had a really bad trade vetoed last year. I contend that this one is just as bad. That said, I really dont care. Simply giving my opinion. |
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Post by Rams on Aug 16, 2012 14:14:26 GMT -5
I was not the one to push this through, however, in our defense, we must sometimes make fast decisions on the fly. If I'm not mistaken, 2.32 was on the clock at that point. At that point a commissioner needs to think, is this trade bad enough to warrant holding the whole draft up for? 3 commissioners need to vote no for a trade to be rejected. If the 1 that sees the trade first thinks its ok enough to go through, at that point, it's not the worst decision in the world to assume at least 1 other commissioner would agree and just put it through.
This example is one reason we really frown upon trading while on the clock. Not only does it hold the draft up, but it forces us to make snap decisions like that.
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Post by Ravens on Aug 16, 2012 14:54:50 GMT -5
I was not the one to push this through, however, in our defense, we must sometimes make fast decisions on the fly. If I'm not mistaken, 2.32 was on the clock at that point. At that point a commissioner needs to think, is this trade bad enough to warrant holding the whole draft up for? 3 commissioners need to vote no for a trade to be rejected. If the 1 that sees the trade first thinks its ok enough to go through, at that point, it's not the worst decision in the world to assume at least 1 other commissioner would agree and just put it through. This example is one reason we really frown upon trading while on the clock. Not only does it hold the draft up, but it forces us to make snap decisions like that. Where's the overturn - like last year? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 15:06:17 GMT -5
This is why i don't trade :-)
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Post by Rams on Aug 16, 2012 15:34:59 GMT -5
I was not the one to push this through, however, in our defense, we must sometimes make fast decisions on the fly. If I'm not mistaken, 2.32 was on the clock at that point. At that point a commissioner needs to think, is this trade bad enough to warrant holding the whole draft up for? 3 commissioners need to vote no for a trade to be rejected. If the 1 that sees the trade first thinks its ok enough to go through, at that point, it's not the worst decision in the world to assume at least 1 other commissioner would agree and just put it through. This example is one reason we really frown upon trading while on the clock. Not only does it hold the draft up, but it forces us to make snap decisions like that. Where's the overturn - like last year? Nobody said we had a rejection vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:22:31 GMT -5
I wasn't going to say anything else either, but here goes- I didn't rip him off, but I sure know I'm gonna be ripping up the AFC S this year. Colts are gonna mop the floor with the Titans. And for one more chance to try to prove my point- no one would have balked if I had traded any 200-250 pt QB & Ray Lewis for Eli, but that's how it's going to end up. I don't see how you can argue against that. Wow, talk about saber marks on the buttocks. The trade boils down to this: The Colts move up from pick 2.32 to pick 1.30, the Colts move up from pick 3.28 to pick 3.15, and the Colts move up from pick 8.30 to pick 6.29. As compensation, the Jets get pick 3.29. That is a very lopsided trade. Beyond that, I want to know why a trade like that automatically gets pushed through by the commissioners. We had a really bad trade vetoed last year. I contend that this one is just as bad. That said, I really dont care. Simply giving my opinion. I didn't trade up to the 1.30, I traded for a player that was taken at the 1.30. There is a huge difference in the two things. The Jets QB just came off the board at 3.1, so let's use it as an example. At the end of the year there was only a 1.8 ppg difference between the NYGQB & the NYJQB. In the final standings there were only 3 QBs separating them. By your logic, the NYJQB should have come off the board around the 2.10. Why didn't he? VALUE. He could be had later even though the actual ppg difference is minimal. A difference that could easily be made up by a top 10 starting LB. I could further argue (I have already) that there are at least 2 (& closer to 5) other QBs that fall into the same category. Would this trade look any different if I had traded one of them (a name) & Ray Lewis for Eli? I don't even think we would be having this discussion. If you don't understand player value when drafting, you're doing it wrong. For the record, this is no where close to the debacle that was the Aaron Rodgers trade- •Denver Broncos gave up Dolphins, Miami MIA TMQB;Jones, Thomas KCC RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.07;Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.14
•Washington Redskins gave up Packers, Green Bay GBP TMQB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.15;Year 2011 Draft Pick 8.18The difference between the MIAQB & the GBQB was 235 points. Obviously that difference was not made up by Thomas Jones & 2 7th round picks. The difference between the NYGQB & whoever the Jets picks at QB can be easily made up by Ray Lewis & the picks he received. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:45:20 GMT -5
Wow, talk about saber marks on the buttocks. The trade boils down to this: The Colts move up from pick 2.32 to pick 1.30, the Colts move up from pick 3.28 to pick 3.15, and the Colts move up from pick 8.30 to pick 6.29. As compensation, the Jets get pick 3.29. That is a very lopsided trade. Beyond that, I want to know why a trade like that automatically gets pushed through by the commissioners. We had a really bad trade vetoed last year. I contend that this one is just as bad. That said, I really dont care. Simply giving my opinion. I didn't trade up to the 1.30, I traded for a player that was taken at the 1.30. There is a huge difference in the two things. The Jets QB just came off the board at 3.1, so let's use it as an example. At the end of the year there was only a 1.8 ppg difference between the NYGQB & the NYJQB. In the final standings there were only 3 QBs separating them. By your logic, the NYJQB should have come off the board around the 2.10. Why didn't he? VALUE. He could be had later even though the actual ppg difference is minimal. A difference that could easily be made up by a top 10 starting LB. I could further argue (I have already) that there are at least 2 (& closer to 5) other QBs that fall into the same category. Would this trade look any different if I had traded one of them (a name) & Ray Lewis for Eli? I don't even think we would be having this discussion. If you don't understand player value when drafting, you're doing it wrong. For the record, this is no where close to the debacle that was the Aaron Rodgers trade- •Denver Broncos gave up Dolphins, Miami MIA TMQB;Jones, Thomas KCC RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.07;Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.14
•Washington Redskins gave up Packers, Green Bay GBP TMQB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 7.15;Year 2011 Draft Pick 8.18The difference between the MIAQB & the GBQB was 235 points. Obviously that difference was not made up by Thomas Jones & 2 7th round picks. The difference between the NYGQB & whoever the Jets picks at QB can be easily made up by Ray Lewis & the picks he received. Nice spin. You must be a salesman. Whatever, the trade went through and you posted some burning saber marks on the Jets' buttocks. Nice work. Like I said, I just posted my opinion and wanted to get some feedback from the commissioners. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 17:34:17 GMT -5
The SPIN stops here, cause we are definitely looking out for... ourselves.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 20:59:16 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not trying to field offers while on the clock. I'm at my son's ball game & can't pick until I get home. I know I just posted the 3.10 was available, but I didn't know it would come up so quickly.
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Post by Chargers on Aug 16, 2012 21:06:31 GMT -5
The Colts move up from pick 2.32 to pick 1.30, the Colts move up from pick 3.28 to pick 3.15, and the Colts move up from pick 8.30 to pick 6.29. As compensation, the Jets get pick 3.29.
Part of this statement is inaccurate. It was actually the Jets that moved up from 8.30 to 6.29. That should basically cover the move down for the Jets from 3.15 to 3.28.
So, according to the trade, the remaining difference, from Eli (1.30) down to the 2.32 is offset by the 3.29. Was that enough to make it totally even? Probably not quite. Maybe there could have been another late 5th or 6th rounder going from the Colts to the Jets.
So, yes, imo, the Colts did slightly get the better end of the deal. They "won" the trade, so to speak. But not by a lot, and certainly not by enough to veto it.
Yes, it was the pick on the clock and yes, I was the one who processed it. I wanted to keep things moving and I didn't feel like it was a bad trade.
Would I process the trade again given the chance? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 21:44:06 GMT -5
My bad.
Thanks for the clarification. Also, I was in no way questioning the commissioners decision. Just wanted to understand the process.
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Post by Chargers on Aug 16, 2012 22:06:39 GMT -5
My bad. Thanks for the clarification. Also, I was in no way questioning the commissioners decision. Just wanted to understand the process. No problem. It's all good.  I just noticed that earlier some commish input was asked for so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 22:19:19 GMT -5
I would have much rather gotten Barron in the next round...
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Post by Titans on Aug 17, 2012 7:43:15 GMT -5
Mr. Buc - in case it wasn't obvious, I would not have processed the trade. I was actually in the process of beginning of creating dialogue for the commishes to talk about the trade and saw the trade processed. Since it was a trade that was holding up the draft, I can see why Tony processed it.
Maybe a rule needs to be discussed about any trade that is not marked as "trade pending" status by the time the pick is on the clock (or "trade pending" at least one hour before the pick is on the clock) is automatically denied. If that would have been in place here, this trade doesn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 8:49:17 GMT -5
Wow, I'm starting to feel why the Redskins left.
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